By Unbelievable? | Listen | 1h 22m
Published in October of 2020

SUMMARY: Christian apologist Neil Shenvi and pastor of The Bridge Church (Brooklyn, NY) Rasool Berry debate the many definitions of critical race theory – what it is, what it isn’t, the nuances, and the sticking points. Shenvi and Berry role model what it is like to have a conversation with a fellow Christian, but disagree about aspects of a certain subject. Skip to 2:45 to get to the interview.

KEY QUOTE: “The church is being brought ethical concerns and is responding with epistemological critique. That’s like a man telling you he is bleeding and you ask him, ‘How did you come to that conclusion?’ That’s part of what’s happening here that is hard to wrap your head around. It is similar to Job’s friends kind of pummeling someone with a bunch of rejoinders when you are like, ‘Yo, I am suffering.'” — Rasool Berry

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