By Church Leaders Podcast | Listen
Published in March of 2021

SUMMARY: New Life Church (Colorado Springs, CO) pastor Glenn Packiam says pastors need to point out the symptoms of Christian nationalism before providing a diagnosis. Packiam then touches on idolatry, kingdom theology, the global church, and much more in a wide-ranging and nuanced interview.

KEY QUOTES: “We cross a line when we start to believe God has a vested interest in the material prosperity of one nation over another, or of one party over another. Whenever we start to claim God is on our side we start to make a dangerous conflation that is a form of idolatry.”

“When you read the New Testament there is no room to say that God is going to privilege one nation-state or one ethnic group over another. The representatives of the kingdom of God on earth, as it is in heaven, is a kingdom community called the church.”

“There’s a difference between wanting Christianity to be a moral influence in America versus wanting Christianity to be a cultural power in America.”

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